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韓国人との討論2

韓国の人たちとの討論(竹島)2

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soudenjapan

I have been discussing this Dokdo/Takeshima issue at other forums like this one. At those forums I tend to take sides with non-Japanese people, somewhat anti-right winger position. Now, at one of those forums, I was posed some questions about conducts of South Korean army during Vietnam War.

Can anyone here tell me about contents of South Korean textbooks? How do your textbooks handle issues of Vietnam War? Do they cover the issues of rape, massacare committed by the South Korean army in Vieetnam? What kind of compensation and appology has been given to Vietnamees by the South Korean government?



unknow

First of all, I would like to tell all of you that Japan is very "unfair" and "sly". They have lied about their shamefull history and pretended as if they have done nothing wrong. So did China. But I wouldn't go that far tonight since I have trucks of homework behind me.

And to answer "soudenjapan"'s question, I am really sorry I cant answer it because I am not a student who is living in Korea.
I was there only until elementary school and they teach only "small stuff" like Korean history that was before the Republic. However, I can make sure on this - Koreans, the citizens do regret and be shame about what they have done, unlike Japanese and Chinese. And they do mention a lot of things about Vietnam war in high school history. (I just know that because my cousin once showed me what she needs to study for her test about Vietnam war).

Moreover, there are measumes that clearly show what it was like in Vietname war. In addition, Koreans DO KNOW what they have done. I think that's about what you want to know, soudenjapan.

Before you meddle Korea, you should know what Japanese and Chinese are doing. I do not know your nationality but let me ask you and all the other people who have visited this site - If you are an American, and Japanese history books including school text book states that Japanese won World War 2 against America and that Hawaii is their land,wouldn't you be shocked at their silly action? Because Korea is a weaker country than Japan and many other, it is not taking a big action against Japan.

In consequances, Japan is "bugging" Korea about history and land matters. I must say and ask all of you to understand how unfair, brutal, silly, mean, sly Japan and China are by referring to many Japanese, Chinese and Korean trusted history books, that are not untrue. Thank you.




Kim to soudenjapan

To soudenjapan
Abou Vietnam war, in my memory there was a very short comment in a text book mentioning Korea attended the vietnam war.(Sorry, I graduated high school 7 years ago so I don't know about recent text books.)

But my history teachers in high school said it was false to attend such an unmoral war. Of course I heared what was done in Vietnam by Korean troops.

There is also a movie about Vietnam war, named 'white war'. In that movie some soldiers killed unarmed civilian. They couldn't bear what they did so some of them became crazy and some of them killed themselves after they came back to Korea. It's a very famous movie in Korea and got the best award in that year(maybe late 90's).

Recent history related with ex-president Park's period who decided to dispatch Korean troops to Vietnam is very disputable among people, and still not confirmed what should be taught.

But at least many peolple in Korea believe that war was not moral, it was mainly for just earning dollar. Recently, president Roh visited Vietnam and mentioned about that war and apolgized for that. And Vietnam president and jounalists in Vietnam said that president Roh's apology was strange. They said they won the war agains USA and they were winner, therefore they don't need to hear apology from Korea.

I was very impressed by their attitude. They are really proud of themselves. Anyway, you can think president Roh's apology as an official opinion about Vietna war. Is it helpful for you?




Kim to soudenjapan

Another Informaion for soudenjapan

I checked articles about Vietnam war and found some information.
About textbook, There are still a few comments about Vietnam war. Some history professors and jounals insist that it must be revised and include what was done by Korean troops in Vietnam.

Not only President Roh' apologized for Vietnam war, ex-president Kim Dae Jung also mentined about Vietnam war. Roh was not the first.
And president Roh promised that Korean Government will help to build schools and hospitals in some Vietnam regions where Korean troops took missions in Vietnam.(it means also apologizing for that war.) Some of schools are already completed and some buildings are under construction now.

Of course there are some people who oppose apologizing for that. Most of them are ex-soldiers or right-winged people. But I think as time goes their voice will be smaller.
(I don't believe they will disappear. There are always such people. But in Japan's case, it's different because the people who denied their sin are Japan's leaders and top officers.)



soudenjapan to Kim

Thanks for your comment, Kim.

Your description of the settlement sounds pretty much like Japanese style of applogy and compensation for which some of you here in this forum severely criticize the Japanese government. Wholistic compensation in the form of economic assistance rather than financial compensations to individuals who were brutalized and sitll suffering. You wrote that Korean presidents appologized, but did they show a token of their deepest remorse by, for instance, putting their knees and hands down on the ground when he appologized?

Have the Vietnamees been satisfied and put it behind or still been angry with the Korean army? Do they mention anything about the high morality and heartfulness of the South Koreans? If they are still angry, what are you going to do about it? Is there anything South Koreans can learn from Germans as some of participants here demand the Japanese government must learn from the German government?




soudenjapan to YM

YM, whatever evidence you put forward, you sitll need to appear before a judge and present your evidence for objective deliberarion and confirmation, don't you? Refusing to do so makes people feel suspicious about the credibility of evidence, especially when you have a clear agreement to go throuth a formal procedure to resolve disputes.

>Have you ever seen a thief being mad at the crime he has done?

Yes, they sometimes pretend. I'm not suggesting that Korean people are pretending, though. I'm just saying that being mad about a dispute is of no proof of any kind. Besides, I heard that most of Korean people are calm and those madly angry people are somewhat exceptional.




Kim to soudenjapan

To soudenjapan

Apology and Compesation for Vietnam war has just stated.
About compensation for each individual, the research is not completed. IF the research is over, I think Korea can negotiate with Vietnam about compesations.

At least Vietnam Gorvernment are not requesting any compesation or apology for the past war. Apparently they say they are winner of that war therefore Korea doesn't need to apology for that. But I think it is not only because they are proud of themselves, but aslo because Vietnam is taking economic relations into consideration.

To sum up, Vietnam admit Korea's attitude to apology for the war. Vietnam Governmnet also said, they understand the situation that Korea couldn't reject the request of USA and south Vietnam Government at that time. And Korea is trying to compesate to Vietnam in a very courteous manner. As I mentioned, the apology has just begun. We have to watch if Korea does her job continuesly and rightfully.
And what if Vietnam people are not satisfied with Korean's apology?
The answer is simple. Just do as Germany did, untill victims are satisfied and admit Korea's apology and comensation. IT would take long time....


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Kim to soudenjapan

About International Law and ICJ

soudenjapan continuesly insists that both Korea and Japan should go to the ICJ.
But Korea would agree to deal with Dokdo problem in the ICJ.
There are many reasons:
1.Can we trust international law? As we all know, international law is different with normal law in a country. It's not written, not confirmed, and has not force. Construction of internation law can be explained as 2 parts. First, treaties beween nations. Second, customary law.
Let's think treaties first. Are all treaties legal and valid? Korea believes that 5 treaties beween Korea and Japan were illegal, and they didn't have any effect at all for the first time.(because they were made by force and violence of Japan.) But at that time, becasue Korea was so week, Korea couldn't claim her right officially.(And many nations like USA, Enland ignored existence of Korean Government.) That means international law considers mainly power of nations, not legal effectivness or logic.
And according to the past judgements of ICJ, ICJ ignored even treaties in a certain case.(That case is also explained in this homepage.)

2.It's customary law. That means it is somewhat vague. Even with well-written law, there are many disputable cases. What about this vague law?

International law scholars in Korea say, the possibility that Korea can win against Japan at the ICJ is about 80%. But because of international law's vagueness and unreliable aspects, they suggest not to go to the ICJ.

Then what about third party's mediation? It is pity but there is no third party in the world! All nations are related with each other. I believe it is hard to find real third party...




soudenjapan

>the apology has just begun. We have to watch if Korea does her job continuesly and rightfully.

Just begun, Kim? Why now? What have the Koreans been doing up until now ever since the end of the war? How do you intend to check individual cases with so many cases? How is it possible to confirm? How many people are working on the research? They say that there are some thirty thousand orphans left in Vietnam as the result of rapes committed by South Korean soldiers. Aren't you going to compensate until all research is completed for all cases? How long is it going to take to finish the investigation? What is the state of the progress of the investigation at this point? If nothing, I might have to take your words of promise as a mere lip service.

>Just do as Germany did, untill victims are satisfied and admit Korea's
>apology and comensation

Good for you. That's fine. But what have you been doing up until now, while bitterly criticizing the Japanese government for its lack of morality and sincerity for not compensating individuals? Why should Vietnamees believe that the South Koreans will do what you are promising you will, if you have not done so all these time?

You proudly promised what you promised, ever lasting appology and compensation till the last Vietnamees are satisfied. Where did you get these pieces of information anyway?

By the way how do you teach your kids their parents conducts in Vietnam? What kind of specific words and expressions do you use to remorsefully describe how evil their parents were in your history textbooks? Japanese textbook writers could learn from Korean textbooks as a model.




Lee to soudenjapan

To soudenjapan

First, I inform you that I am a poor English user.. ^^;;
I think you never understand a situation in a historical back ground..
The Vietnam war was ended in 1970’s.. However, The cold war in the world had continued at that time.. Vietnam and Korea made a diplomatic relationship just about 12 years ago.. South Korea was a enemy of Vietnam until that time.. Were any talks, any negotiation possible at that time????

What Korean soldiers did during the war wasn’t known to Korean people until a Korean news paper started to spread the truth and organized a campaign for a raising funds for the victims from the war in 1990’s.. I was informed from the newspaper that Korean soldier killed at least more than 5000 civilian as they killed potential enemy. That’s crime.. I admit.. Korean government apologized but didn’t compensate for it.. Both Korean and Vietnam government agreed like this when they made the relationship.. But many people think it was not enough for two country’s future relationship.. So many civic groups are still working for compensate for it, and did many things like erecting monuments that shows Korean’s penitence and building schools, and hospitals.. I know some lawmakers are working to make special law to support orphans left in Vietnam.. Some years ago a novelist wrote an novel which is about negative fact of Korean soldiers during Vietnam war.. I guess the book was best seller..




I don’t say Korean government or Korean people did enough to satisfy victims or Vietnam people.. We have to do much more to be forgiven.. However, I think this can not justify what Japanese government is doing.. There are so many different thing between two. No Korean text book is justifying what Korean did during the war.. Korea was loser, and Vietnam was winner in the war..
Korean government didn’t move hundreds of thousands of Vietnam people to foreign country by force to use labor without paying, leaving them without send back them to their hometown.. and didn’t forced woman to be sexual slave..
I think bad things are all same in spite of their quantity.. But victims feel differently as guilty party did and is doing…
soudenjapan, you said thirty thousands of orphans left in Vietnam was the result of rapes committed by South Korean soldiers.. But it is not true.. It can depend on concept of rape,
--;;; but most of orphans were from broken Korean soldiers’ promise.. Most of Korean solder didn’t keep their promise to take Vietnam woman to korea or to live with them after the war..
A fact is a fact.. ^^

Important thing is that Korea is thinking about future relationship with Vietnam by showing Vietnam people deep sorry, and at least Vietnam government took it when Korean president expressed it. Although, We can’t satisfy all the Vietnam people, we don’t make the situation worse. That’s because we don’t intend to glorify negative past.

How about Japan??
Why are not Vietnam people so angry as Korean people are???

soudenjapan.. If you want to stick to this subject to protect your country.. You first have to understand some differences
on cases..

A busy man says good bye.. I think this visitation was last.. ^^




soudenjapan to Kim

Kim, none of the technical issues you raised below on International Law have not changed much since the South Korean government signed the bilateral treaty. You mentioned that Internatioanl Law is vague in its nature, for instance. It is, indeed, but it has always been that way. It does not have an enforcement system, indeed. But that is not new either. It is hard to believe that the South Korean government did not know about the nature of International Law when it signed the treaty. Besides, if International Law is not clear enough for the South Korean government, it is not clear enough for the Japanese government either. So there is nothing unfair about it.

About 3 years ago, some International Law scholars in South Korea together with Harvard University, being suponsored by a Korean government agency, initiated an international conference on International Law at Harvard University. Korean scholars tried to convince other scholars gathered at the conference that Japan's annexation of Korea in 1910 was illegal, but, to their surprise, the conference concluded that there was nothing illegal about the annexation at that time. Is it why South Korean scholars advise the government not to take the Dokdo/Takeshima issue to ICJ?

As for the third party issue, I don't know if there is a qualified third party mediator or not, but that is not an important point. The point is that the South Korean government wrote in an official document that both South Korea and Japan will pick a mediator if they are unable to settle a dispute between the two nations through the diplomatic channel. You say that there is no completely objective and independent mediator in the world. Maybe you are right. But that was the case when the Korean government signed the agreement 40 years ago. It was your government that made it a rule. Nothing have changed about the non-availability of a perfect mediator. Why do you need to talk about a perfectly qualified mediator now?



Kim to soudenjapan

To soudenjapan

I don't understand why you are so hangin on the treaties.
I know a treaty is an agreement between countries. And I know also many cases that so many treaties were broken. Japan had also broken the 1st fishing right treaty between Korea and Japan. Korea didn't want to break the 1st fishing right treaty,but Japan wanted to change it and it was done, as you know. That's the very nature of treaty. If one side doesn't want to keep the treaty and to change it, the treaty can be broken. Of course breaking the treaty is not recommendable considering stable relationship or confidence. But if situation is changed or the treaty itself is not equal to each party, it could be broken.
I understood it when Japan insisted to break the treaty. And if Japan can do that ,why not Korea? (Webmaster also mentioned that treaty itself does not weigh so much in this case.)

And one thing I want to point out is that the basic treaty between Korea and Japan is still kept as a secret to public. I know about the treaty but not the whole terms of it. When this treaty was made, both goverments agreed to keep it as a secret to public for a certain reason.(I don't know why it should be kept as a secret. Are there any critical problems in it?) You are mentioning the treaty and insisting that Korea should keep the treaty, but actually you don't know the whole terms of it also. If you know everything of it, you must be an officer of foreign affairs of Japan.(and leaking top secret...it's joke....sorry, it's not funny.)
In August, 2005 the whole content will be opened to public in Korea.
So I'll consider it after that.
P.S)I'm not denying what you said before, the terms about dispute and ICJ. I know it also.



soudenjapan

>I don't understand why you are so hangin on the treaties.

Because it is a treaty, and it is therefore a law, and thus it is insistable. That's all.

>Japan had also broken the 1st fishing right treaty between Korea and Japan.

>(Webmaster also mentioned that treaty itself does not weigh so much in
>this case.)

First, have the governments of South Korea and Japan agreed that the treaty has only partial effect? If not, the treaty still has a full effect. The U.S. government officially decleared that it was going to abandon the ICBM treaty between Russia and the U.S. before it started experimenting a new defense system called the Missile Defense Shield. So should the Korean government if it wishes to officially terminate a treaty, which is nowhere close to breaking a law. That is a right the South Korean government has.

Second, breaking a law and modifying a law are two entirely different ways to deal with the law. You cannot mix them up. If the South Korean government wishes to modify the treaty, it can be done so by re-opening a negotiation with the Japanese government. But I have not heard of such an attempt yet.

I will respond to other comments directed to me later.




soudenjapan to Kim

Kim, as Article X of the agreement on fisheries says, there was nothing illegal about the choice made by the Japanese government to terminate that pariticular agreement with South Korean government. In contrust, Seoul has clearly been in violation of an agreement with Tokyo. I wonder how you teach Korean kids the kind of logic Webmaster and you use that they can break promises they make simply because and whenever they feel it is not important for them to keep anymore.

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http://wikisource.org/wiki/Agreement_Between_Japan_and_the_Republic_of_Korea_Concerning_Fisheries
Title: Agreement Between Japan And The Republic Of Korea Concerning Fisheries

Article X

2 The present Agreement shall continue in force for a period of five years and thereafter until one year from the day on which a High Contracting Party shall give notice to the other High Contracting Party of an intention to terminate the Agreement.
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English version of the full texts of the Treaty and related agreements are available here.
http://www.answers.com/topic/treaty-on-basic-relations-between-japan-and-the-republic-of-korea



Kim to soudenjapan


You found a very good source.I thank you for that. But you found just the contents of the 1st fishing right treaty. You didn't say how this treaty was terminated. Of course termination itself was legal, as you explaind in Article X. But before its termination, there were some accidents and disputes. According to the treaty, it was legal that Korean vessel could work in the water near Hotkaido. But Japan prohibited unilaterlly for Korean vessel to come in that area.(It's violation of the treaty.) In 1979 there was an accident named Murorang. 160 Japanese ships attacked 9 Korean ships with rocks and fire bottles. From that accident, the dispute over fishing right area was arised. Some temporary agreements had followed(of course it was better for Japan.) And then, as you know, new fishing right treaty is now in effect.
As I mentioned, You are too haning on the law or treaties and etc.
Is law always absolutely good for everyone? No! You mentioned that 5 treaties between Korea and Japan were all legal, but for Korean they were bad enough.(And I don't believe they were legal. All treaties which were made by violence and force cannot be legal.)



soudenjapan to Kim

Kim, I don't know anything about the violation you are referring to, but generally speaking, violations to official agreement could happen once in a while as long as there is the law. Now, what happened to the violation, if it was indeed a violation to the agreement? Has it already been corrected or is Japan sitll in violation? What is the South Korean government saying about it?

>Is law always absolutely good for everyone? No!

I don't know. How do you know?
Specifically, what part of the agreed procedure of settling disputes between the two nations do you feel unfair about or you have problem with?





Korea to soudenjapan


Further information for soudenjapan

The 1st Fishing right treaty itself was not equal to Korea. At that time, Korean ships could not reach near-water of Japan because of lack of technic in making vessel and fishing. But Japan had better technic and could fish in the near-water of Korea. But as Korea got ability to reach near-water of Japan, Korean vessels could fish near Hotkaido. But Japan didn't like that, even though Japanese ships had fished in the near-water of Korea. After murorang accident, there were negotiations but it was concluded to be better for Japan. Japan's fishing right area was widened.
You may ask why Korea didn't claim for that, if the agreements were not equal to Korea. Basically, most of treaties are power-oriented. They are dealt not with justice, but with power. I know that's the true nature of international relationship.
Just think why Korea agreed to those 5 treaties in past years. It was because Korea didn't have power, and was threatened by violence and force of Japan. Korea's emperor and some top officers ,who had crucial right to reject any agreement or treaties, didn't admit those treaties. So officers who rejected Japan's proposal were taken away from conferrence room by Japanese soldiers and Emperor was forced to resign and many cannons of Japanese troops were toward the palace of Korea. Could you insist they were all rightfully agreed? I believe the annexation of Dokdo was in the process of Japan's plan to take whole land of Korea. And if you want to bring legal point here, you have to prove first that the annexation of Dokdo was not related to Japan's imperialism. The main problem is that. If you cannot do that, and still stand for the Japan's position, you are an imperialist.



soudenjapan to Lee

Thanks, Lee. You described some instances of planned compensation to Vietnamees victims, but those do not sound much, do they, Lee?

>No Korean text book is justifying what Korean did during the war..

This is what I'm interested in. How do Korean textbook exactly cover the war? What expressions are used to describe the brutality of South Korean soldiers, especially in comparison to the expressions used to describe the brutality of the Japanese in Korea during 1910 to 1945?

Which justification in Japanese textbooks are you referring to, sepecifically and exactly? I don't know much about descriptions used in history textbooks, but if you specify, I may be able to check them myself.

>Why are not Vietnam people so angry as Korean people are???

Come on, Lee. Other Asians are not as angry with Japan, either, as Korean and Chinese people are. They accepted Japanese appologies too. You must have noticed by now that Korean and Chinese people are somewhat exceptional, unusual in terms of the way they deal with their past (The Japanese can also be viewed as exceptional and unusual in another way, of course). No other peoples in the world keep carrying extream resentment from their past experiences in the manner as Korean and Chinese people do. They try to overcome their experiences, no matter how bad it is and difficult it is to do so, in one way or another, and try to put the past behind them and move forward.

What is beyond anyone's comprehension is the fact that, while it is understandable to see old people still carrying a strong anti-Japan sentiment because they have been through difficult lives themselves, the young who were not even born 60 years ago speak, demanding compensation and apology, as if they were somehow direct victims with the first hand experience of brutality inflicted upon them. Few Asians share a similar psychology and behave in such a manner, as far as I know.




soudenjapan to Angie

Angie,

>You pretend that you understand my grandmother, but you still blame that
>she hadn't been able to overcome the past.

No, I was not pretending anything. I said that "I trust" your words about your grandmother's experience. I also wrote that your grandmother "must have been" through a harsh experience.

>This is what the Japanese government says until now as you know.

To whom are you specifically referring when you say "the Japanese government says"?

>If Japanese people are not smart then listen to other smart people,

That's what smart people do, isn't it? The Japanese are not that smart. Sorry.

>If you love Japan then change Japanese government and people to be wise.

How? Will you be more specific?

P.S.
I didn't want to say things like this, but remember, Angie, that your grandmother was not the only one who suffered, your family was not the only family that suffered. Those who are quiet about their sufferings simply put the past behind and moved forward without any help from anyone.


Angie to soudenjapan

soudenjapan

Yes, my grandmother was not the only one.
There are so many people, you can’t even count, out there and I meet them often.
They have to live their lives so they moved on to their lives without your government’s help (the Japanese government should have done).

You said others keep quiet, but you are wrong.
You just can’t hear them, because numbers are smaller than those Chinese and Koreans.

My grandmother also didn't get any help but she was strong and lived with wisdom, and helped other comfort-women like her.
And her last wish was to see the Japanese see the truth and give them true apology and compensation to others.

OK,
I will be more specific.
Why don’t you educate Japanese people with truth, let them know what the Japanese did and do now.
Killing, raping, lying…all of them.
Go to the street and tell people, until your voice is heard and make like-minded people and make it bigger.
So let all the Japanese know the truth and demand to your government to do the right things.

My friends, from Germany, France, Africa, America, even from Japan, who read yours with me just right now, want to tell you something.
“What you have to do is not to tell the victims to move on, but work for them. And don’t play with words.”





Fro Kim to soudenjapan

To soudenjapan

Can I ask you someting? Are all Japanese think and act like you? Can I think you as an typical Japanese? I argued with you several times and I know you are smart one. You know nearly everything and use only some parts which are good for Japan. Japanese are smart. I'm sure for that. They are too smart that they will not do any acts which can hurt them or make them pay their precious money.
Can I ask you one more? If Japan doesn't have to pay any compensation, can you apology for those victims?



soudenjapan to Kim

>Are all Japanese think and act like you? Can I think you as an typical
>Japanese?

I don't know, Kim. I guess not. I speak only for myself. Why do you ask?

>You know nearly everything and use only some parts which are good for Japan.

Which of my comments are you specifically referring to? I don't think that I said anything knowingly that is good only for Japan. If you feel that I am saying something unfair, you can ask questions.

>They are too smart that they will not do any acts which can hurt them or
>make them pay their precious money.
>If Japan doesn't have to pay any compensation, can you apology for those
>victims?

I don't know. Which victims are you specifically talking about here?



soudenjapan to Angie

Angie, you certainly sound like deeply frustrated by the Japanese government and the judiciary system, and probably disappointed with the general public at large.

It seems to be a forgone conclusion here that being comfort women was a commercial activity, with some exceptional cases like your grandmothers, organized by private entities. Tens of Thousands of Japanese women were also recruited and offered their services -- in many cases they were sold by their parents -- for money because they were poor, because they needed to feed their families. The Japanese government is probably saying that it lacks the capacity to be resoponsible or have moralistic responsibility to those who suffered. It is, therefore, very likely that whatever being offered by the Asian Women's Fund project is the best deal you can get. Is that good enough? I don't know. But certainly better than nothing which is often the case for people with other types of suffering.

But of course it is up to you. You can keep challenging until you feel that justice has been done. If you are persistent enough, the government might reconsider its position, which usually takes something like 20 years, 30 years, if it happens ever. It does not matter whether you are Japanese or non-Japanese. It is a long frustrating legal process which people in this country often experience when they demand state compensations.



LEN to soudenjapan

Please.. Have you ever learn Asian history??
I am studing Feminism in Canada. We also studied about wartime sexual violence against women. We all know what Japanese military did during WW2. Comfort women are KIDNAPPED. It is a real history and even cleary proven by world's feminists.



soudenjapan to LEN

LEN, 11 or 12 years ago, an old South Korean woman, Ms. 文玉珠, filed a lawsuit against the Japanese government, claiming that it return to her the money she saved, \26,145, while she was working as a comfort women for 2 and a half years. \26,145 was a lot of money at that time for a woman to earn in such a short period of time. An ordinary Japanese soldier earned \72 a month. A Japanese Army general earned \6,600 a year. It must have been a tough business, but it certainly appears to be a good business if the figure was correct.

The figure happens to match another figure in a U.S. military report compiled based on the hearings conducted at a comfort station in Northern Burma. The report says that each woman at the station earned about \1000 to \2000 a month. It sounds like a good busines if they had been actually getting paid that kind of money.




LEN to soudenjapan

Thanks for you research.
I understand, that one woman filed a lawsuit few years ago. But I don’t think it’s hard to prove your explain about comfort women are hired and volunteered as their own wish. Because other few hundred survived women are still testimony kidnap and violence toward them.
Even if one woman (out of few thousand) actually “hired” by Japanese government by her own will, can you explain the great massacre toward to comfort women when Japanese army retreat from Southern East Asia? Plus why did they burn all the document about comfort women?
soudenjapan.. no matter how Japanese government deny this fact, we Canadian women are learning Japanese’s dark history. I know some people in Japan like Professor Emerita Tsurumi Kaxuko, and Miki Mutsuko who knows the need of uncover all the buried history and to take responsibility for it.
Doesn’t it better for Japanese people and government to admit their past fault and penitence for the future?


soudenjapan to LEN

LEN, here is the content of the report. Why don't you check it out yourself.
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http://www1.coralnet.or.jp/kakichi/qa-2.ex3.usreport.html

UNITED STATES OFFICE OF WAR INFORMATION
Psychological Warfare Team
Attached to U.S.Army Forces India-Burma Theator
APO 689

Japanese Prisoner
of War Interrogation
Report No. 49. Place interrogated : Ledo Stookade
Date Interrogated : Aug. 20 - Sept. 10, 1944
Date of Report : October 1, 1944
By : T/3 Alex Yorichi
. Prisoners : 20 Korean Comfort Girls
Date of Capture : August 10, 1944
Date of Arrival : August 15, 1994
at Stookade
PREFACE

This report is based on the information obtained from the interrogation of twenty Korean "comfort girls" and two Japanese civilians captured around the tenth of August, 1944 in the mopping up operations after the fall of Myitkyin a in Burma.

The report shows how the Japanese recruited these Korean "comfort girls", the conditions under which they lived and worked, their relations with and reaction to to the Japanese soldier, and their understanding of the military situation.

A "comfort girl" is nothing more than a prostitute or "professional camp follower" attached to the Japanese Army for the benefit of the soldiers. The word "comfort girl" is peculiar to the Japanese. Other reports show the "comfort girls" have been found wherever it was necessary for the Japanese Army to fight. This report however deals only with the Korean "comfort girls" recruited by the Japanese and attached to their Army in Burma. The Japanese are reported to have shipped some 703 of these girls to Burma in 1942.





soudenjapan to LEN

LEN, the URL works fine for me but ,anyway, you can go to Yahoo! CANADA, and search for the phrase "Interrogation on Prostitution" together with those quotation marks. You will find only one web site listed in your search result page at Yahoo! CANADA. Click the link and you will get to the document.

Now, as for the two issues you raised, I don't know anything about them. You can point me to relevant documents on the internet, if you have solid evidence of your assertion.

In the meantime, I quote for you, LEN, another part from the official U.S. document which describes the living and working conditions of Korean comfort women in Burma.
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LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS;

In Myitkyina the girls were usually quartered in a large two story house (usually a school building) with a separate room for each girl. There each girl lived, slept, and transacted business. In Myitkina their food was prepared by and purchased from the "house master" as they received no regular ration from the Japanese Army. They lived in near-luxury in Burma in comparison to other places. This was especially true of their second year in Burma. They lived well because their food and material was not heavily rationed and they had plenty of money with which to purchase desired articles. They were able to buy cloth, shoes, cigarettes, and cosmetics to supplement the many gifts given to them by soldiers who had received "comfort bags" from home.

While in Burma they amused themselves by participating in sports events with both officers and men, and attended picnics, entertainments, and social dinners. They had a phonograph and in the towns they were allowed to go shopping.


PAY AND LIVING CONDITIONS;

The "house master" received fifty to sixty per cent of the girls' gross earnings depending on how much of a debt each girl had incurred when she signed her contract. This meant that in an average month a girl would gross about fifteen hundred



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If Japanese military hired comfort women legally, why did they massacre thousands or women while retreating? And burned out all the documents? Even it could be your good proof of legal recruit ?

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